I'm having an interesting conversation about the said topic in another venue, but I'm going to copy it here (edited for brevity). To be updated.
Me:
Primaries and caucasus, caucasus and primaries!I think people feel more comfortable voting for Obama, now that he's made a strong showing. He swept this weekends' contests, and I think that shows people realize he's a viable candidate and that both turns out the vote and attracts fence-sitters.
Maybe, just maybe, I won't have to live with McCain?
XM: oh, that would be nice!
i have a question for you -- why do you think russian democrats (in Russia) are pro-McCain? and overall people living in Eastern Europe are pro-republican in general? they seem to have no doubts that the republicans will win (wtf?), as if the elections in the U.S. are predictable in any way! it's not Russia with its 'referendums,' helloooo...
i mean, i understand that the russian opposition feels that McCain will try to be as annoying as possible to the current russian men in power, but how true is it really? i have my doubts... in the 70s during the Cold War anti-russian meant 'fighting the global threat of communism,' but that's hardly the case today... that would mean being anti-China first of all. :) and i'd like to see McCain do that. :)
anyway, i'd be very interested to hear your expert opinion about this. :)
Me: I'm baffled by that one myself. Are you basing your survey off of Rusam? Cuz that's full of crazies, you know. I am frankly baffled as to why Russians move to America and become hard-core Republicans (anti-taxes and anti-immigration). It may be that they are racist and aren't used to paying taxes in order to receive their social services. Granted, some are in reality closer to Libertarians, but who knows.
I know [Russian opposition activist Valeria] Novodvorskaia is for him, and I kind of give her a little discount for that. She's for SPS, and the Republicans are more comparable to that in the general Republican precepts - small government, business rules and general fiscal conservativism. But unfortunately, the U.S. Republicans haven't followed those tenets for decades, which sucks - I could feasibly support some fiscal conservativism. The thing is, to Americans like us, the economy and the tax code are deeply enough installed that we more worry about things like gays, abortions and other frivilous freedoms. Russia still has to worry about the big stuff, and thus, Republicans are more palatable. I, if you couldn't tell, am very pro-choice (which doesn't mean pro-abortion) and pro-gay-rights, and that prevents me from liking most Repulicans.
As for McCain, if he does get elected (which I am really unsure about), he's not going to push the red button and nuke Russia on his first day, as some have supposed. The geopolitical and strategic constraints are far too embedded in the system for one crazy to come in and shoot. He may not be terribly nice to Russia, but Russians have to realize something: an American president, any one of them, has very little way to interfere in Russian internal affairs. They can pressure Russia to do some things on the UNSC, but that's becoming less and less relevant (witness U.S. actions in Iraq for one). Seriously, Russia and the U.S. are not major trading partners or anything (and here's where your comment on China comes in). Russia can exert lots of influence on Western Europe by shutting off the natural gas (and oil, but that's an easier contingency), but come on, the U.S. can't do that much to fix that, and the Europeans know and don't come crying but instead are expanding their own options.
About the predictability of elections - a lot of what they say on the topic sounds like conspiracy theory to me. I read (I think it was Rusam again) that the Masons and the oilers and the second amendment kooks made a pact and everything is decided upon that. Right - and monkeys will fly out of my butt!
XM: so, one guy from Siberia was mentioning his strong pro-Republican views, and he was also mentioning that he had placed a bet on the Republicans winning the election. and then Novodvorskaia, and then other Russians on "Ekho Moskvy..." "real" Russians, you know, not Russian immigrants.
yeah, it really is a surprise why Eastern-European immigrants tend to favor Republicans, since many of them had taken full advantage of various social programs when they first arrived, not mentioning that they had actually immigrated here in the first place (short memory maybe?) you're probably right -- it could be the racism. i myself am strongly pro-choice and pro-gay-rights, and no way in hell would i ever vote for somebody who's against that. i did like Giuliani (but then he is pro-choice and pro-gay-rights), but also i'm a bit bias towards him because i really liked what he has done as an NYC mayor. he had cleaned up the city tremendously!! he really deserves a lot of credit for this. if he could do the same on a federal scale -- that would be great!
so, basically, lately i'd define myself more as a democrat. i used to like Ralph Nader a lot before he went all weird. i used to like Hillary when she was trying to pull through the healthcare reform, but then she got bought and went all quiet, and that was the end of my respect for her. i think the current healthcare situation in the U.S. is an outrage. i think Canada got it right... yes, i think that healthy people should pay for sick people. why? because, as my mom says, "every sick person was healthy at some point in time." it's amazing how so few seem to care about getting royally screwed... healthy people don't care, and sick ones can't do much (they have other priorities -- such as fighting with HMOs).
my friend has an interesting theory. he feels that "American dream" messes with people's heads. an average person truly believes that one day he or she will have lots of money (why? and how? -- yeah, "i will win the lottery," of course, what else). hence, these people associate themselves with the rich already, even though they might have median or below median income... crazy... and why would lots of money suddenly make anyone happy? oh, wait, of course -- a person can go buy tons of useless shit such as diamonds, "Porsche," mansions and fur coats... that's, apparently, where true happiness lies -- not in a feeling that if you get very sick tomorrow, your HMO won't qualify your treatment as "unnecessary."
but, getting back to Russia... i think it tends to be overly concerned with the U.S. it's like an obsession. and Russians seem to think that Americans are just as obsessed with Russians. yeah, right! did you see how much noise was going on in Russia about Putin being appointed "Man of the Year" by "The Time" magazine? i really can't imagine Bush being too interested if "Izvestia" or "Ogonyok" would give him some sort of a similar title. it's nuts!! so, of course, Russians believe that the bad things that happen in their country have definitely been caused by Americans, or that Americans will help them restore democracy, or something along those lines... the fact that U.S. has other things that its population is a lot more concerned about than Russia completely eludes the Russian mind...
as a Ukrainian, i'm definitely in the loop about Europeans searching for alternatives for gas suppliers. the latest big thing in Ukraine is the "White Stream" project.
Me: ...As for Guiliani - I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you there. Yes, he did a lot for the city. But turning that into a qualification for the presidency? He overplayed the 9/11 card to a ludicrous extent, not to mention done some things that hindered the rescue/recovery effort - come on, placing the control center at WTC? A president has to be more than a one-issue man.
Nader would have been an excellent candidate had we had a parliamentary representational system like in a lot of European states. Greens do relatively well in the northern European countries, and if there was room for a third-party, he wouldn't be so bad (but yes, previous to all the loony tunes business). Hillary... as much as I'd like to see a female president, and as much as I would like to have Bill's influence in the White House (you gotta admit, he's a damn smart guy), I don't like her. She's a demagogue and a panderer, and I'm not the only one who's used those exact words.
I totally and absolutely agree with you about Canada. Yes, many of our immigrant friends remember none-too-fondly the wait at the polyclinics for basic healthcare, but when a private/faster option is in place, that's fine by me. As long as everyone has the basic, minimal, preventative (!) healthcare, I'm willing to wait for the non-emergent stuff. But that's also the procrastinator in me talking.
As for your friend's theory... probably not too far off the mark. Americans notoriously live beyond their means and are sunk in debt, which I think is ridiculous. I equate the lack of basic financial management skills to a lack of basic life management skills - I once dated a perfectly nice guy whom I had to dump because he was awfully stupid with money and that translated into allowing people to walk all over him in all other aspects of his life. Ugh.
And yes, getting back to Russia. Yes, Americans don't really care. A recent posting on LiveJournal, which got more than a thousand comments, had a lot of this "Americans really hate Russians" bullshit. Someone even said that they hate Russians more than they hate Mexicans and black people because it's ingrained in them from the Cold War. Yes, I read all of the 1000+ comments because they were so fucking ridiculous! A grand total of maybe a dozen people made sense and agreed with me, that America (much like many other places, with the exception of Russia) is what you make it. Seriously.
And yes, you are basically right about natural gas - there are a few more expensive nuances, too. If you've heard about last year's scare how Russia and Iran are going to establish a natural gas cartel, you should join me in laughing very hard.
Also, I'm not sure how viable White Stream is.
Nabucco, yes, that one is viable and has a good potential for adequate funds. But that amount of underwater construction in an FSU country is hardly feasible at this point, unless they bring some major foreign investment and expertise in. And (I really hate to be the one to break the news to them), Shah Deniz is not an infinite resource. It's had tons of problems since its much-delayed launch, horrible delays since, and less than stellar conditions. And on top of that, if they plan to supply it with the TransCaspian, I'd like to see some maritime demarcation signed first - they can't lay a pipeline in a sea whose borders are not established.